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原文由 wangli3636656 发表:
对于检出限的定义,有说是10次空白浓度的相对标准偏差的三倍,也有说是20次空白浓度标准偏差的三倍,有没有专家能够澄清一下。此外在这里使用的标准浓度是不是0ppm,1ppm来测空白,这里的0ppm是直接的去离子水还是要和标准溶液相同酸度的溶液呢?



是直接将相对标准偏差乘以3吗?相对标准偏差只是个偏差,不是浓度值~~~
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对于检出限的定义,有说是10次空白浓度的相对标准偏差的三倍,也有说是20次空白浓度标准偏差的三倍,有没有专家能够澄清一下。此外在这里使用的标准浓度是不是0ppm,1ppm来测空白,这里的0ppm是直接的去离子水还是要和标准溶液相同酸度的溶液呢?



是直接将相对标准偏差乘以3吗?相对标准偏差只是个偏差,不是浓度值~~~

都有人更正过了是标准偏差,你还在那相对标准偏差,有没有好好看帖子啊
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检出限是一个计算值,是10次测量空白浓度标准偏差的三倍。而检测下限是仪器能够检测的最小浓度。一般认为是检出限的3—5五倍。但是我们一般认为10倍才是仪器能够准确检测的最小浓度。
你好,请问你说的这个10倍有什么出处吗?或者相关标准规定的?谢谢
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检出限是一个计算值,是10次测量空白浓度标准偏差的三倍。而检测下限是仪器能够检测的最小浓度。一般认为是检出限的3—5五倍。但是我们一般认为10倍才是仪器能够准确检测的最小浓度。
你好,请问你说的这个10倍有什么出处吗?或者相关标准规定的?谢谢

10倍是你们定的貌似吗?定量下限相对于方法检出限而言,
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按重金属元素来说,
检出限:仪器对待测元素最小浓度有区别于空白的响应值。一般用7次测量空白的标准偏差的3倍来计算。
为什么是7次,我的理解是,7次测量空白是随机不相关事件,出现错误的概率为2的7次方分之一,那么置信区间为(1-2的7次方分之一)即99%。(此做法为单点校正法,仅给出对I类错误的要求)。
那为什么是3倍呢?一般来说,仪器的信噪比大于3,则认为这个浓度能区别于背景.
检测下限,又称定量限:指仪器可以准确测试的最低浓度。一般来说,按检出限10倍来计(经验值)。事实上,这种做法是不严谨的,因为定量限基于方法上才有意义。一般取方法检出限的2倍。我们这边的做法是2*MDL=LOQ≈10*IDL.(2MDL=LOQ可参考EN71-3:2013)

给两个原文解释:
Instrument Detection Limit (IDL) is the concentration equivalent to a signal, due to the analyte of interest, which is the smallest signal that can be distinguished from background noise by a particular instrument. The IDL should always be below the method detection limit, and is not used for compliance data reporting, but may be used for statistical data analysis and comparing the attributes
of different instruments. The IDL is similar to the "critical level" and "criterion of detection" as defined in the literature.

Limit of Quantitation (LOQ), or lower limit of quantitation (LOQ), is the level above which quantitative results may be obtained with a specified degree of confidence. The LOQ is mathematically defined as equal to 10 times the standard deviation of the results for a series of replicates used to determine a justifiable limit of detection. Limits of quantitation are matrix, method, and analyte specific.

摘自:Analytical Detection Limit Guidance - April 1996

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按重金属元素来说,
检出限:仪器对待测元素最小浓度有区别于空白的响应值。一般用7次测量空白的标准偏差的3倍来计算。
为什么是7次,我的理解是,7次测量空白是随机不相关事件,出现错误的概率为2的7次方,那么置信区间为(1-2的7次方)即99%。(此做法为单点校正法,仅给出对I类错误的要求)。
那为什么是3倍呢?一般来说,仪器的信噪比大于3,则认为这个浓度能区别于背景.
检测下限,又称定量限:指仪器可以准确测试的最低浓度。一般来说,按检出限10倍来计(经验值)。事实上,这种做法是不严谨的,因为定量限基于方法上才有意义。一般取方法检出限的2倍。我们这边的做法是2*MDL=LOQ≈10*IDL.(2MDL=LOQ可参考EN71-3:2013)

给两个原文解释:
Instrument Detection Limit (IDL) is the concentration equivalent to a signal, due to the analyte of interest, which is the smallest signal that can be distinguished from background noise by a particular instrument. The IDL should always be below the method detection limit, and is not used for compliance data reporting, but may be used for statistical data analysis and comparing the attributes
of different instruments. The IDL is similar to the "critical level" and "criterion of detection" as defined in the literature.

Limit of Quantitation (LOQ), or lower limit of quantitation (LOQ), is the level above which quantitative results may be obtained with a specified degree of confidence. The LOQ is mathematically defined as equal to 10 times the standard deviation of the results for a series of replicates used to determine a justifiable limit of detection. Limits of quantitation are matrix, method, and analyte specific.

摘自:Analytical Detection Limit Guidance - April 1996

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说的很有道理,一般我们都是按照要求做,缺忽视这种出处
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按重金属元素来说,
检出限:仪器对待测元素最小浓度有区别于空白的响应值。一般用7次测量空白的标准偏差的3倍来计算。
为什么是7次,我的理解是,7次测量空白是随机不相关事件,出现错误的概率为2的7次方,那么置信区间为(1-2的7次方)即99%。(此做法为单点校正法,仅给出对I类错误的要求)。
那为什么是3倍呢?一般来说,仪器的信噪比大于3,则认为这个浓度能区别于背景.
检测下限,又称定量限:指仪器可以准确测试的最低浓度。一般来说,按检出限10倍来计(经验值)。事实上,这种做法是不严谨的,因为定量限基于方法上才有意义。一般取方法检出限的2倍。我们这边的做法是2*MDL=LOQ≈10*IDL.(2MDL=LOQ可参考EN71-3:2013)

给两个原文解释:
Instrument Detection Limit (IDL) is the concentration equivalent to a signal, due to the analyte of interest, which is the smallest signal that can be distinguished from background noise by a particular instrument. The IDL should always be below the method detection limit, and is not used for compliance data reporting, but may be used for statistical data analysis and comparing the attributes
of different instruments. The IDL is similar to the "critical level" and "criterion of detection" as defined in the literature.

Limit of Quantitation (LOQ), or lower limit of quantitation (LOQ), is the level above which quantitative results may be obtained with a specified degree of confidence. The LOQ is mathematically defined as equal to 10 times the standard deviation of the results for a series of replicates used to determine a justifiable limit of detection. Limits of quantitation are matrix, method, and analyte specific.

摘自:Analytical Detection Limit Guidance - April 1996

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感谢,之前参加培训有提及,但并没有出处,现在更加明白了
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按重金属元素来说,
检出限:仪器对待测元素最小浓度有区别于空白的响应值。一般用7次测量空白的标准偏差的3倍来计算。
为什么是7次,我的理解是,7次测量空白是随机不相关事件,出现错误的概率为2的7次方,那么置信区间为(1-2的7次方)即99%。(此做法为单点校正法,仅给出对I类错误的要求)。
那为什么是3倍呢?一般来说,仪器的信噪比大于3,则认为这个浓度能区别于背景.
检测下限,又称定量限:指仪器可以准确测试的最低浓度。一般来说,按检出限10倍来计(经验值)。事实上,这种做法是不严谨的,因为定量限基于方法上才有意义。一般取方法检出限的2倍。我们这边的做法是2*MDL=LOQ≈10*IDL.(2MDL=LOQ可参考EN71-3:2013)

给两个原文解释:
Instrument Detection Limit (IDL) is the concentration equivalent to a signal, due to the analyte of interest, which is the smallest signal that can be distinguished from background noise by a particular instrument. The IDL should always be below the method detection limit, and is not used for compliance data reporting, but may be used for statistical data analysis and comparing the attributes
of different instruments. The IDL is similar to the "critical level" and "criterion of detection" as defined in the literature.

Limit of Quantitation (LOQ), or lower limit of quantitation (LOQ), is the level above which quantitative results may be obtained with a specified degree of confidence. The LOQ is mathematically defined as equal to 10 times the standard deviation of the results for a series of replicates used to determine a justifiable limit of detection. Limits of quantitation are matrix, method, and analyte specific.

摘自:Analytical Detection Limit Guidance - April 1996

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感谢,之前参加培训有提及,但并没有出处,现在更加明白了


不好意思,笔误了,为避免误导,修改下,出现错误的概率为2的7次方分之一,所以置信区间=(1-2的7次方分之一)≈99%
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按重金属元素来说,
检出限:仪器对待测元素最小浓度有区别于空白的响应值。一般用7次测量空白的标准偏差的3倍来计算。
为什么是7次,我的理解是,7次测量空白是随机不相关事件,出现错误的概率为2的7次方,那么置信区间为(1-2的7次方)即99%。(此做法为单点校正法,仅给出对I类错误的要求)。
那为什么是3倍呢?一般来说,仪器的信噪比大于3,则认为这个浓度能区别于背景.
检测下限,又称定量限:指仪器可以准确测试的最低浓度。一般来说,按检出限10倍来计(经验值)。事实上,这种做法是不严谨的,因为定量限基于方法上才有意义。一般取方法检出限的2倍。我们这边的做法是2*MDL=LOQ≈10*IDL.(2MDL=LOQ可参考EN71-3:2013)

给两个原文解释:
Instrument Detection Limit (IDL) is the concentration equivalent to a signal, due to the analyte of interest, which is the smallest signal that can be distinguished from background noise by a particular instrument. The IDL should always be below the method detection limit, and is not used for compliance data reporting, but may be used for statistical data analysis and comparing the attributes
of different instruments. The IDL is similar to the "critical level" and "criterion of detection" as defined in the literature.

Limit of Quantitation (LOQ), or lower limit of quantitation (LOQ), is the level above which quantitative results may be obtained with a specified degree of confidence. The LOQ is mathematically defined as equal to 10 times the standard deviation of the results for a series of replicates used to determine a justifiable limit of detection. Limits of quantitation are matrix, method, and analyte specific.

摘自:Analytical Detection Limit Guidance - April 1996

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说的很有道理,一般我们都是按照要求做,缺忽视这种出处


关于检出限的定义及计算方法是有很多种的,7次空白的标准偏差的3.14倍是EPA的
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